Podcast: SONIC TALK 222 -Kore Blimey

Kore end, Kutiman, Glastonbury, controllerism battle, Horizon Yamaha iPad      23/06/11

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66:27 mins

Guests:
   Gaz Williams - Songsurgeon.co.uk
  PJ Tracy - Composer, pianist -PJTracySound.com
  Rich Hilton - from camp Chic where he mans the controls for Nile Rodgers' private studio. 


Another week, another car park for Gaz, live from the back of his car at Castle Bingo, Swansea en-route from a teaching gig, we discuss alternative scales, microtonality (or not!), NI discontinuing the Kore platform, Glastonbury and what it takes to play to a large audience, the upcoming Controllerism battle competition, new Apps Yamaha - including the TNR-i virtual Tenori-on and the Horizon synth.


Shout out to KiwiSteve in the chat room for the show title.


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Brian from USA    Said...

First a comment on Kore. I think what caused such upset compared to a typical software end of life announcement is the HARDWARE side of it. The Kore controllers were dedicated hardware interfaces (and Kore 1 was a also an audio interface). NI's response to me was that I could still run everything in Komplete, and in fact they are correct. Any KorePack sounds can be played in the full version of the sound engine it's built on. And NI is sticking with soundpacks using player engines for tied to Reaktor, Kontakt, Guitar Rig, etc.

But for those who used Kore like a workstation...loading and controlling sounds from multiple instruments...it concealed the plumbing underneath. For a user browsing sounds, it's easier to do it in one place than poking about pulling different VSTs looking for something. If I want that bass wobble, what do I care whether Reaktor or FM8 or Absynth is making the noise?

If you spent hundreds of hours find tuning the controller mappings, building layers using multiple sound engines, etc. then you lose all that.

But the real sting is you lose the hardware itself. We are used to dealing with old hardware with their floppies, SCSI ports, bad MIDI specs, no software support, whatever because it keeps running and still sounds good.

Buying the Kore package...software and controller...was not cheap, $500 street here in the USA so users might expect it be working for 10-15 years. Oops, it's too tied to the software to be useful, unlike something like a Launchpad which has already been coopted for other applications far removed from Ableton Live.

Second the santur/microtonal discussion. Great! More talk about music is always welcome. If you look around you'll notice that Korg, Yamaha and Roland all sell "Oriental" keyboards in their arranger lines. These are hugely popular around the world because you can call up various Greek, Turkish, Arabic and Indian scales plus they stuff the sample ROMs with appropriate instruments. Search YouTube for "Oley Souleman" to see a Korg or two in action. I was told by one Arabic musician I know that the scales can even change midsong! There's also a hardware box from a company called Kelfar that can do ethic tunings vis MIDI using (I think) pitch bend data...not cheap, $4-500 I think.

There is a market for this stuff, sometimes I think mfrs focus so much on western pop styles that they overlook the huge potential in the third world for electronic instruments.

23-Jun-11 07:52 AM


Brian from USA    Said...

P.S. a santur is a Persian version of what the UK and USA call a hammer(ed) dulcimer. Both are zithers played with hammers. There are a few other variants, like the cymbalom. Third Man theme anyone?

23-Jun-11 07:55 AM


Woo    Said...

Nothing really to add, but I liked Brian's comments....

23-Jun-11 06:10 PM


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