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The Issue Of Pedal Cloning, Is It Getting Out Of Hand?
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Tony    Said...

I think it humorous that Devi would make such a statement. I imagine its a slow day trying to selling smashing pumpkin pedals.

Good to see Devi does not Clone. But the bit pedal is compared to a companion fuzz with a stronger gain. So either it's a clone with a minor change or it can only be sold as a comparison to another pedal.

Or is it acceptable for Devi to base a pedal on something no longer in production, can I clone or do minor alterations to the crackle fuzz

Maybe Devi needs something new to say besides used by Trent Reznor

As I thought for years Devi pedals come with a free added bonus. Sour grapes

I,d rather support guys like earthquaker devices. At least they can make more than fuzz box

15-Jan-13 04:48 PM

Tony    Said...

Actually, I that this back as I think this is not fair.

In fairness, every Devi pedal I bought I flipped on ebay after a week.

I won't buy another one of Devi's pedals again. Leave to the people lining up for them.

15-Jan-13 05:12 PM

Tonyisashill    Said...

I wonder how long Tony has worked for JHS?

15-Jan-13 10:42 PM

Tony    Said...

Thanks mate. Actually I don't like JHS pedals either.

16-Jan-13 02:50 AM

'Jim'    Said...

I agree at least about the cloak and dagger practices and the dishonesty - that's enough to give anyone pause. 'Alpha Drive'-style pedal building tactics aren't cool - that's putting it mildly. However, in the UK, 'boutique' pedal builder's pedals come with at the very least a direct dollar-to-pound conversion, making them (again, at the very least) 1.6 times more expensive in the UK. There are some retailers that then take the opportunity to add another £50 to £100 on top because of the 'boutique' label or brand that is being sold. More often than not, for a inexpensive fuzz or a modeling gain-based circuit (build quality aside). I don't have a problem with buying clones of these pedals where I can until this practice changes.

I also generally don't have a problem with the competition that clone builder's provide in the market to keep mainstream companies and boutique builders making pedals that are A) reasonably priced, B) innovative and C) a quality, well-made product, because THAT will be what keeps those companies in business in the long term.

Building clones allow for new local pedal builders to get the skills they need to become the next 'boutique' pedal brand - so what if they sell their clones to make rent in the meantime? Small price to pay for the next generation of boutique pedal innovation... the next Deviever, or whatever.

Aren't all these people clone builders and boutique companies, ultimately filling niches in the market that before their arrival the market was lacking? Stone Deaf effects gets by JUST selling a MPF-1 clone with a couple more options because the MPF-1 is out of production, and originals go for silly money.

And companies like mooer, joyo, biyang and so on are becoming more prominent because people are catching on that you don't *need* to pay £100 or more for a usable, durable and musical pedal. These companies keep big brands like Boss, Dunlop and Digitech on their toes.

Have Big Muff clones destroyed EHX's business? No. Why? Because, for one thing, they innovate and continue to grow and develop new exiting effects. Additionally, the market for 'Muff style pedals is significant enough for people to desire multiple 'flavors' of 'Muff... so to speak. EHX branches out, and so do boutique or clone builders as a result - in short, everybody's happy.

This article's message amounts to "clones are bad, m'kay", and THAT is not really well thought out.

Most penniless start-up musicians won't agree with the notion of having to spend more than they have to be inspired by their tools, or to create something inspiring from them.

There is something to be said from treating those buying these 'products' more than just their 'demographic' and 'target market' - companies that become this should just expect humbling experiences, like having clone-building occur. Maybe it'd help if the offended parties remembered that 'imitation is the sincerest form of flattery', and keep it at that.

17-Jan-13 05:03 PM

Amped Editor    Said...

Hi Jim,

You raised a lot of interesting points. But the point of the article wasn't really about the little guys tinkering with clones at home.

It was about big companies cloning the little guys...

I hope you didn't think I was saying that all cloning is bad, because I totally agree that it's a necessary part of learning the ropes.

Although I will say that when somebody rips off a trademark (going one step further than a clone), that can be damaging for a company. Particularly if the cloner is still learning his/her trade, and their workmanship isn't so good.

Nobody wins in that situation. Otherwise I agree with what you are saying.

18-Jan-13 04:54 PM

Laugh    Said...

Didn't Devi get "her" penis ripped off?

01-Jun-13 06:07 PM

Kaku    Said...

Somewhat commenting to an old article, but looking a hyperion schematic and it does not seems to be something new. Two transistors in series. Like the fuzzrite and others but without the mix (tone) control. The hyperion looks like the "metal simplex" schematic actually.

10-Nov-13 03:27 PM

tonal    Said...

Precious Devi's pedals are about as good as her guitar playing...

27-Nov-13 04:54 AM

adffisifj    Said...

Devi clones her own pedals already. The SM, VFM, GZ, ZG, YOTR are all the same circuit with transistors swapped about a bit.also the TP aenima never drive and more are a separate one..i just built my own...with a switch...saves money, wonder why they weren't built this way......its not exactly guilt free...

30-Nov-13 05:07 PM

Zed    Said...

I have a JHS Supro Man that I believe to be a clone of Mad Professor's Sweet Honey Overdrive based on an article that I can't locate. However, I bought a Honey Bee from Bearfoot, and they are very similar sounding. What was most irksome is an inquiry to JHS pedals had the owner offering to trade me a hand made Supro Man straight up for a Supro Bolt that I doubt is hand made or as good. He would further provide almost no information. Interestingly, these go for more than the 200 dollar Supro Bolt he offered and he makes for less. Seems like he wanted a deal on getting a great pedal back. I hate Devi Ever.

20-Jan-14 10:15 AM

eh    Said...

cloning is as old as pedals themselves, how many fuzz face//tonebender derivatives we being sold at the same time in the 60's and 70's.....I have more of a problem with people not owning up to where the initial idea came from....there is as much room for tinkering in devi circuits as there is in tim Escobedo's circuit straight copy without putting your own stamp on something is just lazy.

06-Aug-15 02:51 PM

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